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by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at April 4th, 2005 (01:06 pm)

Why do INTPs test as INTJs? Because it is possible that some INTPs actually do behave in such way that they could be mistaken for Judging types. The common perception of Perceiving types is as disorganised, unreliable and wavering. There are INTPs out there that are, on the contrary, organised, reliable and unwavering or at least they may behave as such. As a result they often score as Js. But let's not forget that type is not about how you behave, it is about how your psyche is structured (...).

(...) INTJs are mainly interested in accumulating an understanding. They want to know why and what causes things happen the way they happen. They want to know and see the logic behind everything. If "it" does not contradict logic then "it" is right, otherwise "it" is wrong. (...) However, if for INTJs it is about gaining understanding, for INTPs it is about exercising their knowledge, and therefore they mostly concern themselves with known facts. Moreover, INTJ's logic is their area of confidence and conservatism. This makes their logic fundamental, meaning once the rules are established, they can be applied anywhere. INTPs logic is their area of creativity. This makes their logic circumstantial and unpredictable - the rules apply here but may not apply there.

(...) INTPs being highly religious and spiritual people. It is also their area of confidence and conservatism and they will not welcome anything that could disturb that internal wholeness. And since you can believe in things that are not necessarily there or actually true, INTPs criticise a lot. As for (...) INTJ's creative output, their "creations" could be very unexpected and original, often bearing a high potential for future development. So, combining two and two together, INTJs are in their element when involved with science, invention, innovation, discovery, theory, explanation, interpretation, philosophy etc. INTPs are in their element when involved with business, enterprise, commerce, industry, trade, financial institutions, church etc.

(...) INTPs would want to go power driven, moneymaking, sometimes risky places, whereas INTJs would prefer a happy, cheerful and exciting surrounding.

The last comparison - hidden agendas. This is what people hide from other people, because it is very sensitive area of one's psyche. (...) For INTJs their introverted sensing is their nightmare. (...) The only way they can balance that cone is for them to be physically healthy and if this is not that important to you, you are most probably not INTJ. INTPs are also trying to balance this cone on its head when it comes to introverted feeling (...).It is important for an INTP to be involved with someone, to have an object of affection, to like people. If this doesn’t concern you, you are probably a type other than INTP.
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Reasons for being INTJ:

INTJs behave in a very self-restrained manner with strangers, never showing initiative first and always maintaining a long psychological distance.

Although the first impression of INTJs is that they are emotionless, when they become inspired during conversation an emotionality previously unseen begins to emerge. Their eyes start flashing with a fanatic light and their passion increases as the conversation progresses. However, they still try to maintain their self-control. INTJs sustain conversations only if they find them interesting. They prefer to keep silent rather than give an opinion on a subject to which they are indifferent.

INTJs always give others a chance to say what they need to say. They consider that everyone has got talents and they try at least not to interfere. They do not refuse any proposals immediately, preferring to examine them first. INTJs are very reserved and usually do not take the initiative in talking about their interests and private life. This can lead others to think that they have no private life at all.

INTJs have a very characteristic tendency to independence and can only accept a whole freedom. In work matters they combine their need for freedom with a feeling of responsibility. INTJs are not very demanding. They are often indifferent to food and its presentation. It can be simple but must be fresh. When involved in something interesting they can completely forget that they need to eat. In everyday matters INTJs are modest and are happy to have a minimum degree of comfort.

INTJs usually have an interest that stays with them for a long time and are absolutely indifferent to what others say about it. They never endorse their position in life. INTJs live in a world of their own conception. They simply ignore rules, concepts and directives that do not suit them. Most people do not understand INTJs and try to keep away from them.


Reasons for not being one:

Their speech is very clear and logical and they always follow a logical progression. They cut out all irrelevant details that may cloud the argument.
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Reasons for being INTP:

INTPs with less developed aesthetic taste usually look like they are not bothered about their appearance. Their clothes are often old and worn and their footwear may be in a bad condition. When interacting with others they may be very active, pushy and sometimes even aggressive. They often do not obey the norms of politeness and may sometime be rough and vulgar, however this behaviour usually does not last a long time.

When INTPs speak publicly they habitually adopt a slow, monotone speech pattern. This may have a sleep inducing hypnotic effect on their audience. INTPs are good at noticing contradictions in theories or opinions and can focus others attention to this. They are able to predict short term forthcoming events in both visual and associative forms. Through observation and their own experiences INTPs can create a precise model of others behaviour allowing INTPs to predict peoples next moves. They often amaze and interest people with this quality.

INTPs are very sceptical to others who are undertaking new beginnings. They are able to pour cold water on others burning enthusiasm.

INTPs also look after their health and can be very captious in these matters. For example, they may wash their hands more often than others do. They pay a lot attention to hygiene and sanitation.

Usually INTPs are very economical. They do not like to make presents or lend money to others. Because of this quality they usually try to appear poorer than they actually are. However when it comes to spending money on themselves, they can be very generous.

INTPs usually work slowly, paying a lot of attention to detail. In their activities they show a strict logic, that can sometimes become very pedantic and scrupulous. INTPs may check that all home appliances are off many times before leaving.

Reasons for not being one:

They try to keep others from being passionate as they consider strong emotions to be harmful.

INTPs are often active in business and commercial matters. They have good abilities to quickly calculate profit. Usually they are relaxed and only undertake projects that show considerable return and profit. They are not afraid to run big businesses.

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From a message board:

INTJs tend to think that they are always right, and rarely concede. The problem is that the equally high browed INTPs tend to think the same way. An INTP/INTJ relationship in short might become either an intense competition against one another or a stalemate of strong wills as opposed to being a complementary, complimentary and supportive relationship.

INTJs tend to be ambitious and goal driven compared to the freewheeling INTP who tend to be less ambitious, and either no definitive goal or too many unfinished goals.

INTJ’s self confidence which is usually paramount might be viewed by the more skeptical INTP as having insufficient foundation. The INTP detests facades and can easily see through them – fortunately the INTJ is likely to be able to back the confidence with competence and proficiency. The INTP whose self confidence is more variable might be viewed by the INTJ as having low self esteem.

INTJs are the most open-minded type, hence they also tend to conform to social norms and traditions first before they try to change or improvize upon them. They will take advantage of opportunities to be successful (er wealthy or famous). INTPs tend to be reclusive non conformists who think that they are above absurd social norms and are usually indifferent to success as defined by others because they are relatively unconcerned with the opinions or perceptions of other people. The INTJ might find the INTP too impractical, and the INTP might find the INTJ too ordinary.

For instance, the INTJ might follow traditional means when it comes to relationships. The INTJ might reason that following what works for most couples is the logical way to approach it. INTPs will usually avoid being traditional and tend to regard the relationship as one big experiment. In experimenting, the INTP might unintentionally sabotage relationships with zany behavior that is acceptable to them but offensive to typical people especially to a one-tracked mind INTJ.

As NT "analyst" rational types - the INTP and INTJ might have trouble expressing their feelings to one another. Both types are pretty naive and raw when it comes to emotions as it is. Both types are unlikely to cheat with or without commitment so that is a plus. Both types hate to play mind games although they would probably be extremely good at it.

Both types fall in love quickly and easily but both types will also readily cut off a relationship if they are logically deduced to be unworkable or suboptimal.

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And after this overdose of type-description, I'm still unsure! But I think I'm more of a INTP than a INTJ.

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by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at April 4th, 2005 (01:05 pm)

PD DATA
Some PD data from 4degreez:

The 2 first are the ones I get more often... Funny thing.

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Paranoid
Paranoid personality disorder is characterized by a distrust of others and a constant suspicion that people around you have sinister motives. People with this disorder tend to have excessive trust in their own knowledge and abilities and usually avoid close relationships with others. They search for hidden meanings in everything and read hostile intentions into the actions of others. They are quick to challenge the loyalties of friends and loved ones and often appear cold and distant to others. They usually shift blame to others and tend to carry long grudges.

Schizotypal
Many believe that schizotypal personality disorder represents mild schizophrenia. The disorder is characterized by odd forms of thinking and perceiving, and individuals with this disorder often seek isolation from others. They sometimes believe to have extra sensory ability or that unrelated events relate to them in some important way. They generally engage in eccentric behavior and have difficulty concentrating for long periods of time. Their speech is often over elaborate and difficult to follow.

Borderline
Borderline personality disorder is characterized by mood instability and poor self-image. People with this disorder are prone to constant mood swings and bouts of anger. Often, they will take their anger out on themselves, causing themselves injury. Suicidal threats and actions are not uncommon. They think in very black and white terms and often form intense, conflict-ridden relationships. They are quick to anger when their expectations are not met.

Narcissistic
Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by self-centeredness. Like histrionic disorder, people with this disorder seek attention and praise. They exaggerate their achievements, expecting others to recongize them as being superior. They tend to be choosy about picking friends, since they believe that not just anyone is worthy of being their friend. They tend to make good first impressions, yet have difficulty maintaining long-lasting relationships. They are generally uninterested in the feelings of others and may take advantage of them.

Obsessive-Compulsive
Obsessive-Compulsive personality disorder is similar to obsessive-compulsive anxiety disorder. People with this disorder are overly focused on orderliness and perfection. Their need to do everything "right" often interferes with their productivity. They tend to get caught up in the details and miss the bigger picture. They set unreasonably high standards for themselves and others, and tend to be very critical of others when they do not live up to these high standards. They avoid working in teams, believing others to be too careless or incompetent. They avoid making decisions because they fear making mistakes and are rarely generous with their time or money. They often have difficulty expressing emotion.
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BIERCE AGAIN
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at March 12th, 2005 (03:25 pm)
amused

current mood: amused
current song: headache

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THINGS I LIVE FOR
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at March 9th, 2005 (03:04 pm)
hyper

current mood: like laughing all day

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MADNESS? YEAH, RIGHT.
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at March 8th, 2005 (02:45 pm)
full

current mood: ate too much

Found this at http://unicorn.phoenixrising-web.net/shelp/madness.htm :
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Clifford Whittingham Beers, made this point in his book A Mind that Found Itself. He wrote:

Most sane people think that no insane person can reason logically. But this is not so. Upon unreasonable premises I made most reasonable deductions, and that at the time when my mind was in its most disturbed condition.

Insane behavior can result from one paranoid false assumption. One can be totally logical about everything else and yet still be insane. The most dangerous form of insanity is that in which one can reason logically. A paranoid man who can make intelligent plans can do a lot more damage than a paranoid man who cannot.
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So, basically, one cannot assume that madness is downright irrationality. If even madness has its rules & logic, what really makes it stand apart from 'normalcy'? The unreasonable premises? Genetics? Behaviour? Who cares?

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CLEPSIDRA
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at March 2nd, 2005 (03:46 pm)
crappy

current mood: insomniac
current song: I forgot.

As vantagens de não se conseguir dormir: Fui ler um livro e encontrei outro dentro, q não leio desde o cursinho! Clepsidra de Camilo Pessanha. Muito bom.
Just a bit for ye:

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VERLAINE
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at March 2nd, 2005 (02:27 pm)
nostalgic

current mood: nostalgic
current song: STILL LOVING YOU - Scorpions

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by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at March 2nd, 2005 (02:19 pm)
apathetic

current mood: apathetic
current song: PROMISE - eve6

"Light is the first of painters. There is no object so foul that intense light will not make it beautiful."
Author: Ralph Waldo Emerson
Source: Nature (ch. III)

"Where there is much light, the shadows are deepest. [Ger., Wo viel Licht is, ist starker Schatten.]"
Author: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Source: Gotz von Berlichingen (I, 24)

"Blasted with excess of light."
Author: Thomas Gray
Source: Progress of Poesy

"Hail, holy light! offspring of heaven firstborn! Or of th' eternal co-eternal beam, May I express thee unblam'd? since God is light And never but in unapproached light Dwelt from eternity, dwelt then in thee, Bright effluence of bright essence increate!"
Author: John Milton
Source: Paradise Lost (bk. III, l. 1)

"Beautiful light is born of darkness, so the faith that springs from conflict is often the strongest and the best."
Author: R. Turnbull
Source: None

"There are two kinds of light--the glow that illumines, and the glare that obscures."
Author: James Thurber
Source: None

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BIG 45
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at February 28th, 2005 (08:41 pm)
amused

current mood: amused

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ENNEAGRAM
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at February 28th, 2005 (08:38 pm)
amused

current mood: amused

Mine's 5w4 (dominant type: 5; subtype 4), the Iconoclast.
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IRRELEVANT?
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at February 28th, 2005 (08:34 pm)
bouncy

current mood: bouncy

Look what I found when I was searching for "irrelevant information" - expecting to find, you know, interesting things - from http://my.webmd.com/content/article/74/89415.htm
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COFEE
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at February 28th, 2005 (08:33 pm)
amused

current mood: amused

Another article: http://my.webmd.com/content/article/11/1671_50455.htm
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DREAMS
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at February 28th, 2005 (08:31 pm)
aggravated

current mood: aggravated

A shorter version of an article from http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/80946.htm
I don't know whether this is accurate, since I know someone who cannot recall her dreams but I consider her to be creative.

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MUSICAL TASTE
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at February 28th, 2005 (08:26 pm)
artistic

current mood: artistic

Look at what I found at http://my.webmd.com/content/article/66/79748.htm
You've gotta love WebMd!

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My Music Personality

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NARCISSISM
by Lux (bloodyeye_mari)
at February 28th, 2005 (08:22 pm)
amused

current mood: amused

The reason I'm not narcissist:

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Narcissism is a healthy thing. It has gradations. Sometimes, the reflection replaces the self, that's when we have a personality disorder (PD). But narcissists have no or very little personality -- they have only or mostly their reflection. That's why they need others, dependent on them for their very self-definition. A Narcissist (notice the capital N) has no sense of self. If not reflected by others, he feels annulled, dead, void.
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